Like I said. If we did like the native americans when a crime was
comitted it would slow down dramaticly.
judy tooley
Hi guys. :tiphat:
So you´re back to the well known middleaged punishment methods -
an eye for an eye - using the torture methods followed by Andrew´s "slicing the body in parts" or drowning by force, perhaps even lynching (Geez Andrew???). You really scared me there.
The case against the monster Josef Fritzl in most of your opinions, are now equal to the fanatic islamits and perpretators at the 9/11 WTC bombing by Al Queda (?) according to how, we should punish in both these cases. Torture them, cut them to pieces, drown them or as Ms. Judy says regarding the methods of the native americans, the indians, You´re found guilty by us - Torture him and then death will arrive automaticly during extreme pain, like they do it in China. No defence - excution two minutes after the conviction, bye, bye to the appeal courts, excactly what happened to Chauchesko and his wife in Rumania, shot at the neck two minutes after conviction.
This is your judgement in both cases?
I agree with Muza, who spoke it so eloquantly, there has to be a huge difference for these two scenarios of crimes. One is highly political, one ideologi against another. The Fritzl case is one "human being" (I can hartly say it "human being" about this guy) at the same time a father, who deliberately exercised mental and physical torture against his own family and convicted his children to confinement - in the dark for years on end.
Interesting opinions from you all.
I am glad that none of you guys are the judges in this case against Josef Fritzl, since the investigations in Amstetten have not finished yet, the court case has not even started, and his daughter, the mother of his children, still in a coma at the hospital.
Honestly dear Corno Dolce, I don´t think you have to fear that Josef Fritzl will ever achieve martyrdom, like the jews achieved martyrdom at the Colleseum, when the Roman Empire fet them to the lions for fun and the "show", for the citizens of Rome, itself. As for the Al Queda, they payed with their own lives during 9/11, like the Kamicaze pilots of Japan did it during the WWII in the Pacific Ocean and at Pearl Harbour in honor of the emperor of Japan.
Let´s leave the trial, the conviction and judgement day against the monster Josef Fritzl for the Austrian Criminal Court, when the police has finished the investigations after Austrian law. I believe they are not even half way through, and more people, more victims of rape or other pedophelic cruelties from Hr. Josef Fritzl will possibly come forward and give new evidence in the following weeks maybe even months, which in it´s own way is torture to herr Fritzl - So there will be no martyrdom for Herr Fritzl - wouldn´t ya say?
The Al Queda however, I would agree with you guys that in some parts of this world close to the Arabian counties in the Middle East, Osama bin Laden reached martymdom years ago, since he is still at large, which is why the entire coalition of 28 countries all went to Iraq in loyalty to the USA to catch him and bring him and his fanatic islamits to justice. According to the US intelligence, he was in Iraq blah, blah, blah. So we all left the Taliban in Afghanistan for a so far 5 years of hollidays, so they could recrute new terrorists without being desturbed by any western military forces. Due to the invation of Iraq, three months later, there were suddenly 60.000 new terrorists world wide according to 80 international anti-terror agencies - all of them possible martyrs? We created all of them, when we invaded the wrong country of Iraq.
About the death penalty and the middleaged torture towards being a believer in Christianity, it says in the 10 commandments "Thou shall not kill". I wrote about it earlier and why the democratical EU, Muza possibly and I personally will not reimplement the death penalty or torture for that matter. They are both of them methods that belong to the past time history, France 1789 and further back to the days of the famous Roman Catholic Church punishment system - the Court of the Inquisition, including long time heavy torture and loss of life at the fire in full public in front of the church or the Town Hall or the Queen of England´s palace, to show the common population how the Catholic Church punished the lower ranking believers and common citizens, even some of their own prists was tortured and burned to death. Of course talking about pedophiles, the Roman Catholic Church has been a regular competitor to other pedophiles for the past thousand years. One scandal after the next, where the Pope all the way from Rome decided to cover it up - the Roman Catholic way.
But then again in the past the Roman Catholic Church was the power behind any political discission, they had full controle of the Royal families in all of Europe, and they could read and write to understand the scriptures, which no ordinary man nor woman could.
It´s a matter of principles of law. If we loosen up on principles of punishment to criminals, we might as well throw the entire system of the national criminal courts and any penal code system out the same way as with - the water of the baby. We have to show, that no matter what crime has been done, we can not alowe ourselves to stoop to the same inhuman eveil ways of the Middle Ages and those of Herr Josef Fritzl or the Al Queda - to act ourselves spontanously like we are the judges.
I hope for the children that they somehow can live on, and don´t feel any whatsoever shame nor guilt.
If you guys remember the Stockholm Syndrom, entitled after a kidnapping of the staff in a bank in Sweden - Clark Olofsson was the main controling person in this kidnapping. In this crime, the prisoners in the bank, turned to defend their enemy their captures Clark Olofsson and his gang against the police, because he more or less hypnotised all the victims to support him.
I hope the victims of Josef Fritzl will receive all the care they have never had, so they will never feel sorry for Herr Josef Fritzl and defend him, who has to be convicted to life imprisonment in total isolation under the supervision of psyciatrists and other scientific personel, to study him like we study animals at the ZOO - IMHO. But then again, I am not the judge either.
