Criminal Punishment - Your Thoughts

[Mat]

Agreed, Muza

 

[marval]

Many years ago Fritzl applied for planning permission, to build in the basement. I wander what he told them it was for.

Now they are asking questions.


Margaret

 

[methodistgirl]

He also looks like a war criminal from the Nazis. Someone needs to take
this ole devil and sacrifice him to the roaches.
judy tooley

 

[Contratrombone64]

Frizl is a pædophile, a mysogynist and an aleged child murderer ... can't get much worse than that. I fear, as he's now declared insane, that he'll spend the rest of his life in the relative comfort of a mental institution, unlike a stint in prison which would met out far better punishment. Child murderers, pædophiles and rapists have it (rightly) tough in prison.

 

[Muza]

I couldnt agree with you more, CT. I heard his lawyer talk to the media today, and it was sickening! He is insane, blah blah blah, and by the way he is old - too old for prison! (im not sure he said that, but for some reason i think he did)

psst, too old my elbow!!! if thats his defense, he should be right there in the same prison cell!

Thats just unfair and wrong!

 

[Krummhorn]

Using ones "age" is a cop-out that gets them a lesser sentence. Let's feel sorry for Frizl , as he is too old and frail to be treated like a common criminal. Bull crap!! You do the crime, you do the time - age doesn't mean diddly squat.

As soon as this is taught and upheld in our court system, there will always be "sacrifices" for sentence time based upon personal health, age, ingrown toenails, baldness, etc.

 

[Muza]

Or height!

Does anybody remember a case few years ago, also with a sexual predator - a pedophile of a sort. A judge refused to send him to the jail because he was short!!!!!!!!!!! Outrageos!!!! He is too short, and because of that he might get hurt!

Thats the idea, honey! Mind you, she was asked to step down, but for someone in the position of the judge to even say something like that!

 

[Krummhorn]

True Muza, very true ...

You think they would excuse a sentence on tall people too? I'm 6'5" and people my height might not fit into the doorways ... ?

At least the judge got the just reward after that case, but only a hand slap no doubt. Just so criminal ... so criminal for the judge to even think that.

 

[Muza]

Scary is what it is! But at least its good to know that people havent completely lost their minds or became immune to this stupidity and got her the heck out of there.

Im sure thats the only "punishment" she got, but thats enough!

 

[marval]

I think some of these judges etc. forget what they are really there to do. Mete out justice, punish the offenders. The paedophiles etc. and their lawyers should be told TOUGH, why should we consider your feelings and problems. After all what consideration did they give their victims, none.

They are now saying that Fritzl probably raped his grandaughter, but as she is in a coma, nothing can be proved. The paper did report that there was a slight improvement, you have to wonder after all that she went through, does she want to wake up and remember?


Margaret

 

[intet_at_tabe]

Muza dear :tiphat:

I did not answer to your question the other day, I had hoped someone else would, since is´t´s an interesting question. So look below an except from your former post and please Muza dear: Why you think the WWII has something to do with this devilish evolving story of Herr Josef Fritzl:

"Anyhow, moving on - I would love to hear your insights about that WWII comment. What do you think about that?".

Please elaborate on this comment.

 

[intet_at_tabe]

Many years ago Fritzl applied for planning permission, to build in the basement. I wander what he told them it was for.

Now they are asking questions.


Margaret

Ms. Margaret :tiphat:

Herr Josef Fritzl, now we know he is educated as an ingeneer, asked the City Hall in Amstetten, the department for house building to rebuilt his house bigger on the backside, with bomb shelter below in the basement. Many Austrians did that in the latter of the Cold War.

The pictures we have seen on the TV, show the corridor in the basement leading to the bed rooms was very narrow, less than 60 centimetres, which is 30 centimetres more narrow than an ordinary corridor.

There are blue prints, and it´s been done by the book, though the two steel doors were not in the basement, when the authorities came to see, if he had done everything according to the masures, he had delivered.

An ordinary basement would have windows for the light outside and to open once in a while, I would think.

 

[methodistgirl]

Intet you gave me the just idea. Why don't authorities put him in a
dungin where it's cold and dark until it would drive him absolutely
insane where he would want to die. They did it on the island alchatraz
with some of their prisoners who would pull something like that on an
inmate or rape an inmate. They would put them in a cell called the
black hole.
judy tooley

 

[Muza]

I am glad you asked, Intet.

Here is an article that I have recently ran into:

"The question keeps echoing across Europe: why this crime and why in Austria?

Newspapers in Europe point to World War II. Austria, they say, has always avoided examining its role, portraying itself for years as Adolf Hitler's first victim.

Austria did not have a de-Nazification process like in Germany and did not like to confront the uncomfortable.

Such sentiments are one thing coming from a journalist, but quite another when they are echoed by Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian woman who was held for eight years in a cellar in similar circumstances.

"I think this exists world-wide but I think it's also a ramification of World War II," she said.

"At the time of national socialism, the suppression of women was propagated and authoritarian education was very important."

Others also say that Austria is particularly prone to low-level collusion and even corruption between police, judges and politicians at a regional level.

It is perhaps another factor that explains why Fritzl's supposed 'adoptions' went ahead, why the 73-year-old's criminal record was ignored, and why Elisabeth's disappearance was never thoroughly investigated."

 

[intet_at_tabe]

At 10:00 PM the Danish Radio announced that Interpol will bring the portrait pictures of well known wanted pedophiles on the international medias.

According to a spokesman from the Interpol:

"The Human Trafficking of young women and young mothers with daughters and sons for prostitution and sex slavery from third world countries, have become the worst crime against human beings, beside wars, in our time. The pedophiles travel world wide and share their experiences personally and by the internet. They meet in different countries at different locations, enter the chat sites on the internet especially for children and pretend to be a "friend". The pedophile invironment is international so we ask of every citizen in every city in every country to help us stop this victimising Human Trafficking to report to the police if you recognize the pictures of any of the pedophiles that will soon been shown in the media.".

The Danish Police say they will do the same suggested by the Interpol and they hope every other country will do the same:

"We need the coorporation from the public to stop this inhuman traffick".

Do you guys remember the kidnapping of a little English girl in Portugal in 2007. She was on holidays with her parents, who would soon be investigated themselves for killing her. It´s more than a year ago and unfortunately the profile for this disappearence match excactly how Human Trafficking can be done on a individual child, spotted somewhere in any city in the world, never to be seen again.

About 2 million children are sex slaves world wide according to the Interpol.

 

[Andrew Roussak]

I am glad you asked, Intet.

Here is an article that I have recently ran into:

"The question keeps echoing across Europe: why this crime and why in Austria?

Newspapers in Europe point to World War II. Austria, they say, has always avoided examining its role, portraying itself for years as Adolf Hitler's first victim.

Austria did not have a de-Nazification process like in Germany and did not like to confront the uncomfortable.

Such sentiments are one thing coming from a journalist, but quite another when they are echoed by Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian woman who was held for eight years in a cellar in similar circumstances.

"I think this exists world-wide but I think it's also a ramification of World War II," she said.

"At the time of national socialism, the suppression of women was propagated and authoritarian education was very important."

Others also say that Austria is particularly prone to low-level collusion and even corruption between police, judges and politicians at a regional level.

It is perhaps another factor that explains why Fritzl's supposed 'adoptions' went ahead, why the 73-year-old's criminal record was ignored, and why Elisabeth's disappearance was never thoroughly investigated."

Muza,

thanks for explaining - I also had a question concerning that remark of you.

On my opinion, this can be true. In Germany, you can not offend anybody stronger as comparing him to a nazi. This is a bleeding wound here - and I think, it is good generally. Yes, there are nazis here as well - especially in the East part of Germany - but the most of society regards them as outcasts. And their ideology as well.

In Austria, it really can be diferent - though I have never thought of it in this light. It can explain maybe not the behavior of Herr Fritzl himself, who is a maniac - but the behavior of his wife. The model " Kinder-Küche-Kirche" ( chidren-kitchen-church, whereas you can exclude the church here ) seems to have functioned in this case, like it is described in a school book. It can explain why Rosemarie Fritzl had endured everything from her husband without saying a word of complaining and did not attempt to defend her kids from him.

 

[Muza]

I think this is ridiculous. Sure Rosemary has some serious issues, but those are issues because of her and because of her husband. She has some personal issues, which make her submissive, and an oppressive husband. Im sure that women like Rosemary are a minority rather than majority, even in smaller towns.

Blaming this on WWII is simply nuts! Lets blame everything on Hitler! Lets also blame Pattaya and Global Warming on Hitler, shall we? :crazy:

 

[intet_at_tabe]

I am glad you asked, Intet.

Here is an article that I have recently ran into:

"The question keeps echoing across Europe: why this crime and why in Austria?

Newspapers in Europe point to World War II. Austria, they say, has always avoided examining its role, portraying itself for years as Adolf Hitler's first victim.

Austria did not have a de-Nazification process like in Germany and did not like to confront the uncomfortable.

Such sentiments are one thing coming from a journalist, but quite another when they are echoed by Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian woman who was held for eight years in a cellar in similar circumstances.

"I think this exists world-wide but I think it's also a ramification of World War II," she said.

"At the time of national socialism, the suppression of women was propagated and authoritarian education was very important."

Others also say that Austria is particularly prone to low-level collusion and even corruption between police, judges and politicians at a regional level.

It is perhaps another factor that explains why Fritzl's supposed 'adoptions' went ahead, why the 73-year-old's criminal record was ignored, and why Elisabeth's disappearance was never thoroughly investigated."

Muza dear :tiphat:

Agreed to the article. Not many years ago some new politician in Austria, I believe his name was Jurgen Heider, but don´t quote me on this, almost presented his policies for Austria in front of the Austrian media, as the same politics by the Nazi´s and downsizing women in generel to be servants for men/husbands of less importance.

Politically it´s been very difficult for Austria since the end of the WWII, having had severel conflicts on the interior front in the country. Their neighbour to the West Schwizerland had been neutral for severel years also prior to the WWII and had managed well close to the rest of Europe. An act of neutralism Austria tried to fit into in the European community, but again the internal political differences and that Austria had the Iron Curtain equals The Sovjet Union as neighbour to the East made it impossible to gain this neutrality like Schwizerland. Justice in Austria has been like a hot potato for years, mostly because corruption has been a part of the Austria Justice since the dawn of time. Finally what not many people know, except if they are historians, or have been employed by the secret intelligense MI5 or MI6 in England, Austria has always had the perfect conditions for international spying and e-spionage (double agents).

During the end of the 1970´s there was a very tensed situation in Europe towards The Sovjet Union, which could have led to a devastating war. In 1982, I believe, the US President Ronald Reagan took a more confrontatioanal politics against The Sovjet Union, which replied with military reinforcements behind the Iron Curtain very close to Austria, who did not at the time feel as a common protected partner in Europe, because of years of political mess and indecisiveness.

That´s when many Austrians decided to have these bomb shelters built suggested by the Austrian Government with economical support, because of the threat of a new war on the most lethal weapon ever invented by Man - the Atom Bomb. Not anything new in this internationally, since hundreds of thousands of Americans did the same around to the Cuban Crises to protect themselves.

Muza dear, I had hoped someone else would have commented on your interesting question, but since they didn´t, I did. Thank you!!

 

[Muza]

Thanks guys, I think a lot of people were just thrown off by my question, which was rather odd and didnt seem to come out of anywhere.

But now, you guys replied and I am glad you did. Thats an interesting subject.

 

[marval]

Well according to the paper today, Fritzl is putting blame on the Nazi regime with Adolph Hitler, and WW2.

He also says that he wanted to keep Elizabeth away from the sins in the world, he did not like it when she went out and enjoyed herself. The article says he had been abusing her from the age of 11.

He thinks because he kept them alive he was doing them a favour. No admittance that he did any wrong. Having read what he told his solicitor, he is definately going for the insanity plea. he even admits that at one time he wanted to get intimate with his mother.


Margaret