feeling about contemporary classical music?
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Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Whatever, some guy, whatever.........:shake::shake::shake:
I stretch an olive branch out to you and you make it into a spear - Yep, thats despicable alright, but guess what? I still love you...Even though you hate me now....
I stretch an olive branch out to you and you make it into a spear - Yep, thats despicable alright, but guess what? I still love you...Even though you hate me now....
Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Tactics? What, dear sir, are you talking about? You infer that I am trying to undermine you and contemporary music? Please, I am not that long in the tooth...I don't have any dog in a fight about contemporary music. I may be ostentatious and opinionated about contemporary music but I fully respect those who are passionate about it. Please, don't feel that I wish to ruffle your feathers for I intend not to do so.
Respectfully,
CD
Respectfully,
CD
some guy
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Well, disingenuousness for one.
Drawing false conclusions about my motives or my feelings for another (and then making absurd comments on the basis of those conclusions--like that I feel that you wish to ruffle my feathers. Say what?).
Privileging certain members of a group and then referring to the sub-group consistently as if it were the entire group (thus disenfranchising the other members of the group).
Pretending that you don't do that.
Drawing conclusions about the worth or value of music you don't like simply on the basis of your not liking it, but arguing as if your conclusions about worth had the legitimacy of eternal truth. (This is obviously a belief of yours, or so the quote from Socrates would suggest.)
Stuff like that, dear Corno. Hateful tactics.
Drawing false conclusions about my motives or my feelings for another (and then making absurd comments on the basis of those conclusions--like that I feel that you wish to ruffle my feathers. Say what?).
Privileging certain members of a group and then referring to the sub-group consistently as if it were the entire group (thus disenfranchising the other members of the group).
Pretending that you don't do that.
Drawing conclusions about the worth or value of music you don't like simply on the basis of your not liking it, but arguing as if your conclusions about worth had the legitimacy of eternal truth. (This is obviously a belief of yours, or so the quote from Socrates would suggest.)
Stuff like that, dear Corno. Hateful tactics.
Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
I am crestfallen as to what you say and saddened by your statements. Please continue with your character assassinations - It is true praise for me indeed - I love your holding me to task for what I have said and for what I have not said. 'Tis music for my ears and soul and heart - Please do demonise me - I am such a glutton for punishment - Please don't ever stop, ok?:lol:
Maybe Krummhorn might feel it time to close this thread since it is turning out to be a showdown at OK Corral...
Maybe Krummhorn might feel it time to close this thread since it is turning out to be a showdown at OK Corral...
Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Currently listening to Ronald Stevenson's "Passacaglia on Dsch" (D,E-flat,C,B) = Dmitry Shostakovich. It is at times mysterious and then volcanically cataclysmic. I submit a link with the score and audio so that you can see/hear the whole piece as it unfolds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0qZRRj3vnQ
Dang it, now the iterating theme of the piece is lodged in my head...And then comes the "Dies Irae" motif into the mix - Lordy, lordy, lordy.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0qZRRj3vnQ
Dang it, now the iterating theme of the piece is lodged in my head...And then comes the "Dies Irae" motif into the mix - Lordy, lordy, lordy.............
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Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
some guy
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This was one of the more viscerally exciting pieces from one of the more consistently exciting eras in all of music.
It is from 1970, too, just by the way. How are we defining "contemporary"? I was eighteen when this was written. I'm sixty now.
"Contemporary" to me means Francisco Lopez.
Or Zbigniew Karkowski.
Or Andrea Neumann.
For example....
It is from 1970, too, just by the way. How are we defining "contemporary"? I was eighteen when this was written. I'm sixty now.
"Contemporary" to me means Francisco Lopez.
Or Zbigniew Karkowski.
Or Andrea Neumann.
For example....
Dirigent
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My television set must be a 'composer' because it sounds just like that Karkowski whenever there's a thunderstorm. And I'm trying to have it 'repaired'!!! The aerial isn't working properly. I've never considered that the noise emanating from it could be called 'contemporary music'. Absurd. Clearly.
And you need to explore the 'music' of pixillating digital TV signals for it's musical potential. Or my cutlery drawer when I'm emptying the dishwasher. I'd pay heaps to go and 'hear' that in a 'performance' - NOT. Somehow I've always equated that noise with enslavement and a chore which has to be done.
For me, a composer is somebody who has studied rigorously at a musical conservatory, has competence on an instrument and writes in musical notation which follows a direct line from the 19th century, and makes music connected solidly to the past but with a 'voice' which has something to say. Pouring new wine into recognizeable shapes, if you like. "Noise salad" isn't music. No amount of arid, linguistic and forensic argument can convince me. But then, a good lawyer can spare a guilty man from the gallows if he has the language skills. Doesn't make him 'innocent' though, does it?
Trouble is, we live in an age where everyone has access to technology. All of a sudden everyone is a composer, or a writer or a 'film-maker'. The democratization of culture has lead to its debasement, IMO. It's the Reader's Digest world of creativity - everyone wins a prize. I'm so bored.
And you need to explore the 'music' of pixillating digital TV signals for it's musical potential. Or my cutlery drawer when I'm emptying the dishwasher. I'd pay heaps to go and 'hear' that in a 'performance' - NOT. Somehow I've always equated that noise with enslavement and a chore which has to be done.
For me, a composer is somebody who has studied rigorously at a musical conservatory, has competence on an instrument and writes in musical notation which follows a direct line from the 19th century, and makes music connected solidly to the past but with a 'voice' which has something to say. Pouring new wine into recognizeable shapes, if you like. "Noise salad" isn't music. No amount of arid, linguistic and forensic argument can convince me. But then, a good lawyer can spare a guilty man from the gallows if he has the language skills. Doesn't make him 'innocent' though, does it?
Trouble is, we live in an age where everyone has access to technology. All of a sudden everyone is a composer, or a writer or a 'film-maker'. The democratization of culture has lead to its debasement, IMO. It's the Reader's Digest world of creativity - everyone wins a prize. I'm so bored.
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some guy
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Well, actually it does. (Innocence and guilt in a court of law are things that are determined by argument and judgement.)
But let's follow your logic for a second. See where it leads us. By that logic, it is equally true that an innocent person can suffer the gallows if the prosecuting attorney has better language skills than the defending attorney, eh? Doesn't make him guilty, does it?
Your calling the music I love 'noise salad' doesn't make it 'noise salad'. Your sneers at its similarity to your broken TV don't make it any less desirable for me. No amount of question-begging, pettifogging, unsympathetic arguing will ever convince me that it's not worth listening to.
It speaks directly to my heart, too, just by the way. Yours is not the only heart in the room, Dirigent. That's an error in perception that is so often made. You know your own heart. You know what your own heart wants. All hearts need the same things as yours does.
OOPS!! Why no, no they don't.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
I will work on it and help you, be patient and all will be revealed.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Regarding Black Angles You will have noticed that in the first Tutti the Cello is playing Dim 7[SUP]th[/SUP]s while the Viola is playing Aug 5[SUP]th[/SUP]s I do not know why and this confuses me also it is hard to pick out all the minor technicalities when the Vid was made with only 1 stationary camera so I searched the www and found this diagram of the work which will make it crystal clear and further enhance your enjoyment of the Quartet.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
I don't get your humor sg but then it's late and I am tired:grin:It is Angels, too, JHC.