Dorsetmike
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CD, It's OK for places like UK where we have lots of sea around, but I haven't noticed any tide tables published for Moscow
Climate Change (oh no not again)
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CD, It's OK for places like UK where we have lots of sea around, but I haven't noticed any tide tables published for Moscow
Dorsetmike
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I think you'd find with most rivers if the flow is fast enough the volume is insufficient, after many tributaries have joined the rivers are usually on lower more level plains, the volume is then sufficient but the flow is much slower, this is why they resort to dams for hydro electric generation.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
You would not even think about touching a river in NZ the Bl.... greenies would create havoc.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Yeh they seem to think any thing in its natural state should not be touched, perhaps they should be teleported back to the stone age
Ouled Nails
New member
Foreword: I have not read this whole thread.
Complications: This topic is so complicated that we cannot even rely on what we, ourselves, post. For one thing, the scientific community has been "corrupted" by trillions of dollars in research money. For another, the bulk of the population, at least according to a recent Yale University poll, doesn't have a clue! And yet these are the very people who elect people to address the issue.
Fundamentally: In our current political culture, even if global warming was known to be leading us to a non-turning point situation with dramatic consequences for our grand-children and fatal consequences for our great-grand-children, we, electors, would still not put it on top of our political agenda. Rather, we would continue, gros Jean comme devant, to place jobs, the economy, taxes, etc., at the top of our electoral decisions.
New generation: But that's us, caught up in our own little short-sighted world. What's encouraging is the emergence of younger people who have the energy, the commitment, the endless dedication that we used to have when we were 25 y.o. The sharp ones will throw us to the curb, under the bus, and threat us for what we are: short-sighted idiots.
Complications: This topic is so complicated that we cannot even rely on what we, ourselves, post. For one thing, the scientific community has been "corrupted" by trillions of dollars in research money. For another, the bulk of the population, at least according to a recent Yale University poll, doesn't have a clue! And yet these are the very people who elect people to address the issue.
Fundamentally: In our current political culture, even if global warming was known to be leading us to a non-turning point situation with dramatic consequences for our grand-children and fatal consequences for our great-grand-children, we, electors, would still not put it on top of our political agenda. Rather, we would continue, gros Jean comme devant, to place jobs, the economy, taxes, etc., at the top of our electoral decisions.
New generation: But that's us, caught up in our own little short-sighted world. What's encouraging is the emergence of younger people who have the energy, the commitment, the endless dedication that we used to have when we were 25 y.o. The sharp ones will throw us to the curb, under the bus, and threat us for what we are: short-sighted idiots.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Ouled Nails,
for what its worth I agree with most of your post,. what could the politicians do any way ? look at France when asked to work a couple of years longer before retirement riots erupt, just imagine if oil was forbidden as a fuel. That climate change is and always will be happening is a fact, that it is caused by man seems to be doubtful from what I can sort out but I am a pure layman, and as you say the whole debate is corrupted by hunger for the Dollar [carbon credits a great money making scheme] we have plenty of water (hydrogen) now there is a powerful and clean fuel.
for what its worth I agree with most of your post,. what could the politicians do any way ? look at France when asked to work a couple of years longer before retirement riots erupt, just imagine if oil was forbidden as a fuel. That climate change is and always will be happening is a fact, that it is caused by man seems to be doubtful from what I can sort out but I am a pure layman, and as you say the whole debate is corrupted by hunger for the Dollar [carbon credits a great money making scheme] we have plenty of water (hydrogen) now there is a powerful and clean fuel.
Corno Dolce
Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Hi ON,
I agree with most of your posting. Furthermore, the Carbon Credit is a ill-hidden Tax that Governments will apply willy-nilly in order to feed an ever-bloating Public Sector. The corruption is so total!
I agree with most of your posting. Furthermore, the Carbon Credit is a ill-hidden Tax that Governments will apply willy-nilly in order to feed an ever-bloating Public Sector. The corruption is so total!
teddy
Duckmeister
News of massive public spending cuts and major cuts in welfare payments, to try and reduce the countries deficits. Far too many jobs were created by the former goverment and these, along with quangos are being axed. Currently our local council spends 25% of our rates bill on public sector pensions.
Good news all round. Also an announcement that eight new nuclear power stations will be built, so we will not hav to buy our electricity from France.
teddy
Good news all round. Also an announcement that eight new nuclear power stations will be built, so we will not hav to buy our electricity from France.
teddy
teddy
Duckmeister
Once again, during this very cold period, all those new windmills they built off the coast here have been useless. The calm that often accompanies extreme cold ensured that they were totally useless, just when we needed them most. I see the latest figures on global warming state that there has been no overall increase in the last 50 years. They only had to visit my bathroom to workthat out.
teddy
teddy
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
The sails had probably frozen if they had used a better quality Snake Oil things would have been sorted
Dorsetmike
Member
I honestly can't see why they don't go for more tide driven generators, tide flows are predictable and happen every day.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Dorsetmike
Member
A lot of the tidal turbines can be raised above surface for maintenance, either by winch or hydraulics. The maintenabce costs for off shore wind farms should be little different from tidal turbines. Some critics of tidal power quote corrosion by sea water, current plastics technology with carbon and glass fibre are good enough to make suitable casings such that sea water does not come on contact with much, if any, metal.
Wind turbines either on shore or of shore all suffer from the unpredictability of wind which at times can be dead calm or too weak to turn the sails, or sometimes too strong in gales, whereas tideal flow is more or less constant except for a short period at high or low tide, the latter is not a significant problem though as a location a further along the coast will have high and low tides at a different time.
Another source of power is geothermal which again is not dependant on the vagaries of wind.
Wind turbines either on shore or of shore all suffer from the unpredictability of wind which at times can be dead calm or too weak to turn the sails, or sometimes too strong in gales, whereas tideal flow is more or less constant except for a short period at high or low tide, the latter is not a significant problem though as a location a further along the coast will have high and low tides at a different time.
Another source of power is geothermal which again is not dependant on the vagaries of wind.
JHC
Chief assistant to the assistant chief
I think the short term answer is to use a mix of all types, in NZ we are lucky that we have places that are windy 90% of the time and Rivers that are easy to access but the final answer must be "That lucky old Sun with nuttin to do......) when we have the know how it will provide all of our power needs