Climate Change (oh no not again)

[JHC]

If I can just say: it is common knowledge that we (earth) go through climatic cycles, the question is whether the present change is man made or not, and just to add to the mix "there is more money to be made in trying to fix it through carbon credits etc than taking the other point of view. I am a sceptic until proved otherwise.

 

[teddy]

The latest article about the Antartic was in the Mail. I will,try and see if it is available on line. Also another article which shows that there has been no increase in the Earths temperature over the last twelve years, also printed in the Mail. Over a forty years period ( from 1950 I believe) there was a reduction in temperature, followed by a slight increase, followed by a stabilisation. I am not saying we do not need to take care of our planet, but the EU demanding we close two coal fired power stations when China is building one every week is nothing short of a joke. Responsibility is one thing, having the p*** taken out of us by scare mongers is another. There are far too many people making a horrendous amount of money over GLOBAL WARMING without doing anything particularly helpful. What is the ecological cost of WIND FARMS? I will also try and find the report on increased sun spot activity, and the effect it has on the Earth.

teddy

 

[White Knight]

Thanks, Teddy. As I said earlier, I just hope that you and the other "skeptics" prove to be right on this one, for all our sakes.

 

[teddy]

When the only solution to a problem is to screw us out of a lot of money....I become sceptical. Green energy is costing us a fortune in England and making our manufacturers un competitive.
As I said before there are a few people making a hell of a lot of money out of the rest of us.

teddy

 

[John Watt]

The amount of open water in the Arctic is causing polar bears great distress.
It is impacting other species because polar bears are eating eggs and young they never ate before,
and that's wiping out colonies.
Polar bears are also mating with brown bears for the first time on a noticable level.

Open water in the summer has allowed research vessels to find the sunken ships of previous explorers,
and the cold has preserved them very well. Franklin's ship is the next to be positively identified.

 

[teddy]

I do not doubt that certain species are affected John. The big questions is why is it happening and whether anything we can do will actually have any effect. I just do not believe that building wind farms off our coast thereby making the cost of electricity horrendously expensive and pretty well guaranteeing that we will not have any electricity when it becomes very very cold (no wind) and adding to that the ecological cost of building them and the effect on the seabird population I am damn sure that there is a better solution. Especially when it has not yet been proven that we can have any control over the situation.

teddy

 

[John Watt]

I don't get these wind turbines, looking like thin aircraft propellors,
not the cheap little spinners with blades that look like Mickey Mouse ears.
Those whiz around even if they're made cheap for bicycles.
The twelve turbines Buffalo, U.S.A. has, are the largest and only clearly seen objects from Canada,
and yet all the times when I see them only one or two are moving slowly, usually not at all.

There is no real need for new power. Simple conservation would create more unused electricity.
It takes the power from ten nuclear plants to keep online information "in the cloud".
"In the cloud" is computer talk for more computer farms duplicating the same information, as more backups.
Oil and corn for gasoline, water and air currents for electricity.
The living energy of the earth is being taken and transformed into pollution.
So goes our world.

 

[JHC]

Naa, it's due to all these electric guitars

 

[teddy]

It has been pointed out here before John, we are surrounded by water here and also have lots of rivers. Water power would be more efficient, cheaper and would not ruin the landscape like wind turbines do. I am also concerned with the health problems that turbines cause which is due the the very low frequency noise they generate.

teddy

 

[teddy]

The EU is interfering again and it will affect all of us. Amateur bee keepers are being over regulated by them, to the detraction of the environment. Not only can they be fined £5,000 for re-using honey jars they also have to print on their labels (which are already heavily regulated) that the honey contains pollen from GM crops. How can they establish whether this is the case? They can't as they are not allowed to know where the GM crops are. It is a secret. They can have the honey tested, but at a horrendous cost, which would be un economical to small producers. Amateur bee keepers are very important in this country and probably do more for the bee world than anyone else. Without bees there is no pollination. Honey production is already down to approximately 20% of that of a normal summer. That means the same for pollination. These new regulations could make things even worse. Lower levels of pollination mean lower levels of plant growth mean higher levels of CO2 wich means more GLOBAL WARMING. Good old EU. Makes you want to say *** ** ***** ****.

teddy

 

[John Watt]

I saw so few bees this year, when I did, it was nice to stop and watch, and listen.
Honey, especially buckwheat, my favorite, is now so expensive I haven't bought any this year.
I remember Johnny Carson sitting there with a carrot from his garden and a bio-engineered one,
saying a carrot is a carrot and can only grow like a carrot, eating both, saying they were the same.

Bio-engineering creates a more one-dimentional crop,
and will allow a greater failure than the Irish potato famine,
growing only their favorite potato, and when that got disease there was nothing else.

 

[teddy]

I wonder how much he got paid for eating that carrot John.

teddy

 

[Corno Dolce]

Bio-engineering creates a more one-dimentional crop,
and will allow a greater failure than the Irish potato famine,
growing only their favorite potato, and when that got disease there was nothing else.

Br. JohnWatt,

You have nailed it right!!! I am totally in agreement about one-dimensional crop that can allow a failure greater than the Irish Potato Famine. It is the greatest threat yet to mankind.

 

[JHC]

England and Europe had a very tough time due to a mini ice age at the start of the 14th cent followed by the plague. we are continually having climate change "enjoy it be happy"

 

[teddy]

Don't worry

teddy

 

[Corno Dolce]

England and Europe had a very tough time due to a mini ice age at the start of the 14th cent followed by the plague. we are continually having climate change "enjoy it be happy"

Climate change like Climax and Climacteric and Period...:shake::shake::shake:

 

[JHC]

Then there was the Coventry Climax ...................... not of course of a sexual nature although now I come to think of it????

 

[teddy]

Beautyful piece of engineering Colin.

teddy

 

[Dorsetmike]

And you didn't need a few thousand quidsworth of computer to keep it running.

 

[JHC]

This is interesting but are troughs rising