Possible plans for expansion of Cavaille Coll at St.Sernin,Tolouse

[Caddis]

Hi to the forum.
Considering the size of the C.C. organ at St. Sernin,it begs the question wether there were any plans by Cavaille Coll or Charles Mutin to expand the organ to a 4 or 5 manual instrument,possibly with the addition of more pipes and stops?

 

[methodistgirl]

Welcome to the forum! I love to look at pipe organs. Do you have
a picture of it?
judy tooley

 

[Corno Dolce]

Here's a pic of the organ in St. Sernin in Toulouse:

http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/gallery/pix/france/toulouse_stsernincavailleco.jpg

From my understanding of the materials, there had been no push to increase the size of the St. Sernin instrument either by Cavaille-Coll or Charles Mutin.

 

[methodistgirl]

How beautiful!
judy tooley

 

[acc]

I'm not aware of any such plans for St-Sernin. Maurice Puget expanded it only slightly in the 1930s.

There is one thing one can mention about St-Ouen in Rouen (built around the same time), namely that Cavaillé-Coll would have liked to build a much bigger instrument there, given the size of the church, but was prevented from doing so by the size of the (already existing) organ case.

 

[musicalis]

Hi friends
It is funny, you are speaking of the organ of St Sernin in Toulouse and I have met the organist and been invited to visit this organ 15 days ago. I would like to have it as a virtual organ, as it is easier to add stops then.

For Judy, I have a picture of myself at the console of this wonderful organ. See my picture gallery or try this link : http://www.magle.dk/music-forums/gallery/showimage.php?i=190&catid=member&imageuser=5393

 

[Contratrombone64]

acc - St. Ouen in Rouen is without doubt my favourite CC organ ... just love it.

 

[Corno Dolce]

Outside of Paris, the organs of St. Ouen in Rouen, St. Sernin in Toulouse, and St. Etienne in Caen are absolute gems in the crown of Aristide Cavaille-Coll.

 

[acc]

acc - St. Ouen in Rouen is without doubt my favourite CC organ ... just love it.

Same for me, CT! When I listen to it, especially by a great player who really knows how to handle it (like Ben van Oosten), I'm in heaven...:angel::angel::angel:

 

[Contratrombone64]

I have Ben's Widor and Vierne symphony cycles played on that beast, they are PURE bliss. Trust the Dutch to beat the French at their own game.

 

[Corno Dolce]

I'm listening to Daniel Roth play Vierne's 1st and 2nd Symphonies at St. Sulpice and I'm in Heaven. Yes, I like Ben van Oosten's interpretations very much but Maitre Roth takes it to a whole new level.

 

[Caddis]

Any plans by Maitre Roth to do a complete set ?,would be nice to have a fifth set of Vierne's symphonies:grin:

 

[Corno Dolce]

I would certainly love to have Maitre Roth doing the rest of the Vierne Symphonies.

 

[acc]

For Symphonies 1 & 2, both van Oosten and Roth are nice, but my personal preference goes to Yves Castagnet at St-Ouen, on a CD that's now long out of print (Castagnet also recorded a stunning Dupré CD in the same series, with the Symphonie-Passion and Évocation, also at St-Ouen).

As for the "Roth" cycle, the publisher's own forum mentions that Daniel Roth will record Symphonies 3 & 4, but that 5 & 6 will be done by Stephen Tharp (who is yet another excellent performer).

 

[pcnd5584]

Here's a pic of the organ in St. Sernin in Toulouse:

http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/gallery/pix/france/toulouse_stsernincavailleco.jpg

From my understanding of the materials, there had been no push to increase the size of the St. Sernin instrument either by Cavaille-Coll or Charles Mutin.

I doubt that this woud be necessary - the present superb instrument is certainly loud enough for this basilica, even after the removal of the unfortunate additions by Maurice Puget - who also swapped certain ranks between departments; this has also been reversed.

 

[mathetes1963]

For Symphonies 1 & 2, both van Oosten and Roth are nice, but my personal preference goes to Yves Castagnet at St-Ouen, on a CD that's now long out of print (Castagnet also recorded a stunning Dupré CD in the same series, with the Symphonie-Passion and Évocation, also at St-Ouen).

As for the "Roth" cycle, the publisher's own forum mentions that Daniel Roth will record Symphonies 3 & 4, but that 5 & 6 will be done by Stephen Tharp (who is yet another excellent performer).

No slam against Mr Tharp, but I LOVE Roth's playing of the Allegro from the 6th @ St-Sulpice, posted on Youtube.
I'd post the link, but YT is blocked at my workplace.

 

[acc]

No slam against Mr Tharp, but I LOVE Roth's playing of the Allegro from the 6th @ St-Sulpice, posted on Youtube.
I'd post the link, but YT is blocked at my workplace.

I guess you mean this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw.

I love it, too! — Note, however, that it's a clip of Widor #6 (whereas we were talking about Vierne #5 and #6).

 

[mathetes1963]

*oops*

Sorry, I'm @ work, and I don't multi-task well! :grin:

 

[dll927]

All well and good, but sorry, that picture is NOT St. Sernin. It think it's St. Ouen.

Methodist Girl, I'm sort of surprised you had never met that organ. It's justly quite famous, and is one of few C-C organs still pretty much in its original state. There have been quite a number of CD recordings done on it.

St. Sernin is in the city of Toulouse, sort of in the south-central part of France. Google the city and the organ, and you should find a good bit of information. In California, San Luis Obispo is named after a bishop of Toulouse - the full name of the mission is San Luis, Obispo de Tolosa (in Spanish). For those innocent of Spanish, it means, St. Louis, Bishop of
Toulouse.

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha dll927,

St. Sernin: http://www.ladepeche.fr/content/photo/biz/2007/09/27/st-sernin-orgue_zoom.jpg

St. Ouen: http://claudet.club.fr/Bloch/Documents/OrgueRouenStOuen.jpg

St. Etienne de Caen:

http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/gallery/pix/france/caen_stetiennecavaillecoll.jpg

The organ cases all have some similarities...