Criminal Punishment - Your Thoughts

[methodistgirl]

Forget just 40 hours. I just read on the news where a lady spent
over twenty years in a confined place where she was molested
from an 11 year old girl up. I know this will make you sick it made
me sick. I will let you know what I think about this. If this and
other countries took care of our criminals like the indians did the
crime rate would drop dramaticly. It ment certain death if you
break the law if you were Astez or Mayan.
judy tooley

 

[Contratrombone64]

Judy your views on corporal punishment are not shared by me, that's for sure.

 

[methodistgirl]

Here in my neck of the woods if a lady gets raped he just gets a slap
on the wrist with just three years in the pen which I will say is very
wrong. Sometimes the girl that got raped is very young.
judy tooley

 

[Muza]

Hi Judy,

I most certainly agree with you - our punishment system is nothing short of terrible. You do something horrible, and get 2 years in a jail, if any. I hate to get political and off subject, but liberalism is ruining our society. When it comes to serious crime, "they are just tormented people who are seeking attention" is just not a good enough response. As far as Im concerned, those criminals aren't even people - not even animals, because animals dont do what they do.

Im all for harsh punishment and death penalty. But enough said.

 

[Contratrombone64]

Muza and I quote

not even animals, because animals dont do what they do.

I think you're wrong there ... I saw a horrific documentary (Attenborough) about primates and the Chimps were dreadful. Specifically, the unpartnered young males would go off in troups in search of males from other clans and bite (including removing fingers, genitalia), kick, punch, stomp on them for ages until the poor creatures died in misery.

 

[Muza]

Ok, i admit, that might have been a bit harsh. I take it back...they ARE animals. but that wasnt the general center of the argument. what i really meant to say is that we cant just allow any excuses for that sort of behavior. I dont know how it is in Australia, and I dont know if you are familiar with how things are here, but lately its been like this. "Sure, he raped this child, but he comes from a broken family...and we should feel sad for him, because he is a human being".... OK, maybe he does come from a broken home, but thats no excuse!!!! and it most certainly does not mean that his actions should go unpunished.

Imagine this scenario.
Most plead insanity (and no one can prove otherwise), go to a mental institution, and after the first inspection, they get released because they are found mentally sound (as a matter of fact, they were never insane). What then? They go back to a society and commit another crime.
Now, maybe they indeed were insane. And if so, what is the chance of them getting back to normal? Does that mean that they should never get out? But a lot of them do.

I do not want this kind of people back in the society where they could rape or do whatever else to me, my friends, my family, whatever. Do you?

 

[methodistgirl]

There are still some countries in the Middle East where even adultry
is punishable by death.
judy tooley

 

[Muza]

well, you cant discount differences in cultures, religions, even traditions. dont forget, that in same countries in the Middle East, killing masses of any non-islamic followers is not only not punishable, but considered to be a All-hs calling and is rewarded by the afterlife with 40 young beautiful virgins.

I wouldn't set that as an example of just society, and frankly I do find that quite harsh. I think thats an extreme, as is very little punishment (which America has going on today). And I feel that the best way, specifically for America, specifically in the present time, would be to find somewhere in between.

 

[Krummhorn]

The other problem is that we have the ACLU and the Rev. Jesse Jackson trying to intervene where they don't belong ... :lol:

 

[Muza]

Hey guys, should we make a separate thread for this?

 

[Krummhorn]

I quite agree, Muza ... great suggestion ... and Done ...
Let the discussion continue ... :up:

 

[Contratrombone64]

I don't want 40 beautiful virgins thanks very much, they'd need FAR too much training!

 

[Muza]

haha, oh that is goood :grin: maybe they misunderstood it - and its really a punishment?

 

[intet_at_tabe]

Ms. Judy

I saw the report yesterday on Danish TV2 News from a village in Austria about this 73 year old male both pedophile and rapist, who kept his own daughter and 7 of her children he fathered imprisoned in his house, hidden in the basement for 27 years.

I just said above that I don´t go for the death penalty, and I still don´t in this case from Austria. However, the act of all pedophiles, raping children - that´s the exception for me, because children are completely innocent and defenceless and pedophiles lure children in a game of trust and friendship = a game, and the bastards, who have fantasies about having sex with children (underaged), can´t be cured if they have initiated and fulfilled playing God.

So what do we do with these monsters, we put them in secured prisons in Denmark far from ordinary prisons, and we try to make scientific reasearch on them under secured cercumstances. Facts are all pedophiles have been abused and sexual melasted during childhood, which they often use for an excuse. Like they would say to a judge: "I was abused and sexual melasted as a child, no one helped me or showed it was prohibitted, so I repeat it to someone else, should be Okay?".

But it´s not, basicly these none-humans (IMHO) are adults, they know it´s prohibitted by law, and they do know they damage a child for life.

My suggestion, put them in maximum secured priosons for life without any chance of parole, eighteen feet under and throw away the key - period. There can´t be any whatsoever excuse for the sexual abuse and melastation of a child - period.

 

[Muza]

Ok, Intet. what do you think will work. maybe psychological counseling and community service?

 

[intet_at_tabe]

Ok, Intet. what do you think will work. maybe psychological counseling and community service?

Please Muza dear, do not make sarcastic fun of it. The death penalty is the easy way out for these bastards, they have to suffer the rest of their lives each day and each hour of the day with other misfits like themselves, to remind them each day what they did to innocent children.

They are adults, and no matter what, they should not just be killed, but we should scientificly keep them under supervison, like monkeys in the Zoo.

 

[Krummhorn]

Agreed, Intet ...
But here in the states, we have groups like the ACLU who like to complain that our criminals are being treated with "cruel and unusual punishment" - to that I say, and what wasn't "cruel and unusual" about what the criminal did to the victim?

(ACLU = American Civil Liberties Union - not an organized labor union, but a collection of, imho, freaks and troublemakers who try anything and everything to protect the criminally liable).

 

[C5Says]

Please Muza dear, do not make sarcastic fun of it. The death penalty is the easy way out for these bastards, they have to suffer the rest of their lives each day and each hour of the day with other misfits like themselves, to remind them each day what they did to innocent children.

They are adults, and no matter what, they should not just be killed, but we should scientificly keep them under supervison, like monkeys in the Zoo.

Imprison them with apes! And throw the key.

 

[Muza]

Intet, I am in no way making sarcasting fun out of it (or didnt mean to anyhow) - i think its too important. I seriously want to know, because that seems to be the answer to a lot of crimes lately, and I think its ridiculous.

Im not for bloodshed and killing people per se, I am advocating the mere removal of those people from society (because honestly, im a little afraid of them). Im all for life long imprisonment for these people, but I also have a few problems with that. And my biggest problem is - that those just arent given anymore. I dont know what kind of crime one has to commit these days to get a life sentence. Also, I think prison system has to be reorganized a bit, but i wont get into that now.

And since you have suggested that they should be locked up and under supervision, you agree that the chance of those people changing is somewhat slim, right? Or at least, slim enough to be taking chances with letting them back into society.

 

[Muza]

Hi C5 I think you've got the right idea... if not for that ACLU that Krummhorn mentioned.

I totally agree Krummhorn, you are absolutely correct and I think thats the source of the problem. The system would almost work, if it wasnt for stupid idiots that you have mentioned - those idiots singing about human rights, and how every human has a right to be treated as a human, regardless of the crimes that he/she committs. Well guess what, the victims of those criminals have rights too - right to be treated as a human being, which was brutally violated. And so do the rest of the people, they have a right to live without a fear of those criminals.

But I think we all agree on that anyways, its just that we have a different idea on how to implement that.